VEGAN VS MEATEATER- BEST DEBATE I’VE EVER HAD [ROUND 2]

VEGAN VS MEATEATER- BEST DEBATE I’VE EVER HAD [ROUND 2]


that’s not missin re in your life right now is it and I’m saying that is wrong so what you’re doing right now is wrong what I’m doing right by your own moral standard what you’re doing right now is wrong so would you change yes would you like a card okay okay okay we’ll just leave that there thank you thank you Tony goofs at home the Saturday yeah yeah already yeah yeah oh you have a degree in farm management there are you doing see you oh you’re you’re against the vegan lifestyle I think it’s sustainable against it against something so why is it was unsustainable you know we have to feed more once it would you like to yeah yeah so you know there’s a 16 to 1 ratio for plants to meet ya so we have been more ones your on depends on the temperate climates yeah everything you’re doing to make in the numbers you need it you need large populations yeah so just are they’re feeding their feeding grain they’re feeding grain to cattle and livestock yeah well they are feeding great to most cattle and livestock here big for you to see well 99% of animals are factory farmed yeah on earth yeah so so let me speak to one percent so so 99 percent of animals of factory farmed right yeah so they’re feeding them grain okay and that okay okay well what else they’re feeding them the freedom alfalfa I tell you they’re feeding them plants basically so those plants need to be watered yeah yeah okay so how much water denote that those plants need okay over the course of the plant’s life and then we’re feeding all those plants to the animals life okay so is that sustainable for the earth well obviously sustainable because it’s happening and the environments are in there to stay sustainable and stable okay now if you turn it all away yeah you’ve got to kill the insects you’ve got to kill the animals eating yeah ruptures right okay how are you gonna make that another brother if we just ate the plants the crops okay we’re eating a lot less plants and crops then we have to feed all those plants and crops to grow animals and eat the animals are we eating less plants if we just eat the plants directly or if we’re feeding tons and tons of grain and plants and water if everyone ate plants would be growing a lot less plants than we have to feed animals to listen over the course of an animal’s life climate force going yeah of course growing you having to put more water in there irrigation you’re going to have to put more chemicals in place into the ground that leeches into the water you just ain’t gonna work that way we need we’ve got 70 billion land animals on earth right now okay it’s 70 billion from 70 billion that’s the UN statistics for land animals that farmed animals okay that we’re consuming the UN yeah 56 to 70 56 270 billion okay okay well you can do your own research on that right it’s up there okay but so those animals need food and water okay yeah now if we didn’t have animal agriculture so in these sentient beings that need food and water shouldn’t be there why do they exist shouldn’t be then why don’t why do they exist pray you say this shouldn’t be there no they shouldn’t because we’re breeding them into existence so we’re forcibly breeding them into hunt you come in here to protester animals being killed will you what the wholesale decimation yeah yeah I don’t want animal agriculture to exist because we’re forcibly breeding them into existence here it’s hypocritical to come here no these people are killing animals exactly why are they killing them they’re doing them what you’re what to do I don’t want animals to be murdered I don’t want them to be forcibly bred into existence what will happen to them you know with we would stop reading them into existence Brown what would you do with it what would we do and we’d stop reading them into existence so you put them on land the dye on the ones hey bro the ones that are here what do you think that we’re all going to go vegan overnight the whole world once was in one swoop well watch do you think we’re all going to go vegan do you think we’re going to be what’s your name bro wait what yeah no I don’t do that okay it was well do you think we’re gonna go big and overnight you’d like us to we won’t we won’t okay what’s going to happen what’s gonna happen my friend is we’re gonna have a slow gradual phase-out of these industries here the animals that left over after the whole world goes being and they’re probably only be a few sanctuaries sanctuaries you think there’s going to be 70 billion do you think there’s going to be 70 billion when we stop breeding them into existence there’s going to be a gradual space out that’s how it’s going to work the phase our people are still going to be eating them people are still going to be because it because not the world isn’t do you understand the world it’s not going to go vegan overnight you understand that right it’s going to be gradual so people are still gonna be eating animals as it phases out all right I don’t the reason there’s 70 billion land animals is because we’re bleep breeding them into existence with forcibly breeding on it so you’re brilliant – sister your phase in one out as you’re bringing another one in what’s the other one eating plants eating plants plant foods already exists lips tongue I’ll save you this one second there if you’ve got the animal farming yeah have the vegan farming if you’re out there so there’s one’s going out the other ones coming in you phase him one out you bring it in we’ve got enough plant foods now we’ve got enough plant agriculture now yes we do it we’re already eaten plants with you mate onion plants with you mate oh you just eat meat you eat your meat by itself so you’ve got a vested interest in these these industries don’t you Oh first of interest well you surely a consumer of it you’re a consumer of me okay would you consume dog meat so you would so you don’t think animals have moral belly moral value well a sentient being that experiences pain and suffering and wants to live would you give the same moral value but to a sensitive being that eats animal in Africa a us are you in Lyon are you know okay have you trouble lying in his room well a lion doesn’t have moral agency today they can’t be held accountable to being so if your appliance to all sentient beings you cannot eat meat you must say – I think sentient beings have moral value I don’t say sentient beings cannot eat meat in a survival situation it’s like a lion this moral value is a lion’s moral value not high enough to justify eating meat in Africa this is about us causing pain and suffering to innocent beings the world will the world will come because people care about animals not everyone’s like you and don’t care about animals you care about animals but you condemn them to a slaughterhouse when you ate them I spoke you care about animals dude do you care about these animals yeah let you go for sure awesome right get haunches and I would imagine that you claim say a hunter is somebody that doesn’t care about animals an autism also doctor I would could say a hunter takes animals lives against their will when it’s unnecessary I think all are taking this degree love it unless you all Liars are taken against their will death is a natural part of life here murder is not a natural part of life forces raised to be to take it against this work these sentient beings are raised to be eaten that doesn’t change the fact that it’s immoral to take their life I’m talking about any sentient being that their life is taken for an unnecessary reason is immoral okay because we don’t need to eat meat biologically to survive ok we are living proof of that so it’s murder and rape that’s a lifestyle choice – but there’s a victim environment yeah it is this murder and rape as a crime no killing animals I’m neither was slavery back in the past but it was immoral because they were sentient beings who had moral values and I’m talking about different time well within this time here hey bro in this time here this type of animal slavery and abuse is legal that doesn’t mean that those sentient beings have no moral value well they’re not free other an environment where they’re not afraid you would grace to do anything brother give it a moral imperative you will they’re here for you do you think animals here to serve you do you no I don’t believe that I think they exist for their own yes your stomach is filled with the corpses of these innocent beings yes they didn’t want to die and you were eating them just because you can doesn’t mean you have to well that’s a good start to choice heart disease and cancer are killing people cholesterol builds up in your arteries you know a cholesterol foods where does cholesterol come from cholesterol comes from the fats that you make in your body according to what you eat you can create your own cholesterol or animals do all animals do so it’s in animal flesh yep so you’re not going to die from your own cholesterol in your body that you create you die from eating dietary cholesterol from animals you don’t from you to the balanced diet cholesterol can never be a balanced diet builds up in your arteries can build up in your arteries you say you care about animals okay okay okay so you do care what happens to them in there when they get stabbed in the throat so they get stunned okay and then they get hung up and then they get stabbed in the artery to drain them of their blood okay do you think electrum is stunned would would Anna stab in your throat okay would it cause you harm those who just would say this flush is gonna cause you harm once meant to cause harm isn’t it okay so do you think it’s it’s moral to cause harm to innocent beings for an unnecessary reason as a responsibility if they’re going to kill a fan well I think they have to do it efficiently and has least harm to the animals feelings if you like taking their life against their will do you think that’s moral when you don’t need to you know you don’t need me to well you don’t need to eat meat to survive do you well let’s give us a choice isn’t it with people – that’s not doesn’t make it moral just because you can do something it doesn’t make it model to try to outlaw it does it well because well you can say the same thing about outlawing any immoral acts oh it’s not moral to outlaw a murder and rape and sticking dogs do you think animal cruelty is immoral yes okay so do you think it’s cool to take a lot at the life of an animal against their will oh that’s no you don’t think that’s cool no even though they don’t want to die apply the same logic to yourself would it be cool to take your life against your will if you could do it do you think you would that be immoral I think it would I wouldn’t I would defend you if someone tried to hurt a key well I’ll defend you if someone try to take your life I’d defend you because you’re a sentient being you don’t deserve that it sucks terrorists in Syria terrorists aren’t innocent pigs are innocent that had done nothing wrong to you he’s done nothing wrong to you offense you’ll be bit right as the pig that’s been living there for ten years right Barney you talking about Barney Barney going by no one may he might need were you on the finger bro alright so in here we’ve got Barney the pig and the guys I was debating with before said oh if you jump the fence Barney could bite you wouldn’t possibly kill you so let’s go see how dangerous Barney really is meeting food vegan food maybe I do the face so gentle so much for Barney being dangerous I mean anyone you’re causing much harm to pigs right weak weak you are yeah you are but you’re paying for their death you’re paying for their murder no you’re a consumer you’re part of a system it’s called supply and demand without your money these places don’t exist bro I could make your plant-based meat out of proteins from rice and beans and legumes no give you see have you ever seen a vegan burger bro have you they’re delicious well you’ve eaten one in your life I’ve eaten about 30 okay you can get bad ones and good ones brother there’s pizza pasta rice and ice cream everything vegan now there’s no reason to do this to animals and you agree you care about animals there’s no difference between these animals in here and the pets that you own I agree with you so people at Waterloo boots do you agree with someone kicking a dog to death for no reason that’s part of your question Florida should move it’s an unnecessary reason why while we’re killing pigs you agree with that can you be healthy as a vegan can you be healthy if you found research that said you can be healthy and thrive as a vegan would you agree that this is even more unnecessary because that it comes on to choice what you’re trying to force a society personal choice with a victim involved yes there’s a victim involved okay so the victim doesn’t matter in your choice factors in it if it was somewhere like Malaysia where of the UK right here right here okay you don’t have a problem with an innocent being having their life taken for an unnecessary reason when you have alternatives to talk to you it’s not a mystery to people how is it necessary for you it’s like there’s a bottle for your survivors necessary if somebody wants to buy it I’m talking about you is it necessary for me to eat animals if I want to eat the pig which I very rarely do to if they’re not careful but if I wanted to eat it I would have a right to buy it here just cuz you have a right to do something doesn’t make it moral okay you had a right you had a right that shit yeah you had a right to own a human slave 200 years ago you had a right to own a human slave 200 years ago yeah that was your right legal right yeah okay does that make it moral just because you have a right to do that we’re talking of the times or all of us walking over I’m just applying your logic changes no it doesn’t morality okay so murder murder has always been murder has that changed over time it wasn’t OKC it was no crime murder okay but it was it still immoral just because it was legal we’re talking about it you’re talking about legality and morality mm-hmm not what’s legal which is cuz it’s legal doesn’t make it moral it makes it defensive so what’s no it doesn’t make it moral that’s what we’re talking about morality whether innocent beings like this moral have moral value value you agree that animals suffer and feel pain yeah they do so they have moral value where’s that value attached I don’t see it well they’re sentient just like you are where’s the value in you where’s the value and yet you’re valuing yourself you don’t know so that you don’t have moral value so we shouldn’t we shouldn’t treat me with respect practice do you agree we should treat other beings with respect you can try and treat me with disrespect I’ll be fine I’m not while I don’t I do I respect all beings okay including you okay I’ve respect for all beings okay once I give you’ve met a moral choice it’s great for you yeah and you do too I believe you’re a good person I do because you care about you may not know I do whatever you say I believe you’re a good person because you care about animals you just said it okay but your actions don’t reflect that okay that’s the thing you see if you say that that’s a civilized life they have to take you to a point where they value animals they value this you’re in danger as was 200 years ago you can’t do brother yeah we’ve just established we could feed the world well we could feed 10 billion people with the food that we have right now we’re feeding it to animals and almost you can say to me write this research this tells us we can feed everybody now at this moment if I had to start if you can’t the infrastructure in place 50% of the 50% of the grain in the u.s. us is one of the biggest countries on the 300 million people there 50% of their grain modify the food whose acceptable is 50% of their grain has been fed to animals in animal agriculture yeah there’s a lot of food there’s a lot of plant agriculture going on we have we’re fine without eating animals because there’s so many countries heavily populated don’t have that infrastructure you haven’t even done the research yourself so how can you not say something you haven’t even looked into bro well I could see what this requirement is that true is that true what I just said you haven’t looked into it you haven’t looked into vegan lifestyle what’s what you don’t even know how much grain we’re feeding to animals well I know that we foods as well as Britain’s sure they’re grass-fed and then they’ve their grain fed at the last few weeks to fatten them up yeah so it doesn’t change the fact that you agree that animals will you care about and all’s you say that you say that say that I see it purposely I’m kicking out a new book how am I going to eat a video so yeah I’m not applying the same morals in your case yeah so by it so by you eating animals you’re hurting them okay no there any dead because you want to buy them eat their bodies the dead because somebody sees a value in them in another way maybe not a moral value doing a sell the animal and when I say I want to commodify an animal body so commodifying sentient beings is okay in your eyes well somebody has to do it so making money off the suffering and death of innocent beings is okay in your eyes as a suffering you think they’re not suffering in there do you think they’re not suffering when they’re getting their blood drained from from there I’ve seen animals been slaughtered okay have you been in this I mean you’ve seen them get stabbed in their throat you didn’t even know whether they got for starters you didn’t even know that animals got stabbed in the throat I know there’s a hat loose the blood and all they have to do though that’s not all animals get stabbed in the throat every single animal no animal doesn’t get stabbed in the throat what the question was yeah is are these animal feeling that what time does that change the fact that they’re getting stabbed in the throat if I stab you in the throat well I’m not I don’t want to be offensive to you but if someone if someone stabbed you in their throat whether you felt it or not that has caused you harm see you understand pain is not pain and suffering chills if that animals been stunned I wouldn’t say it was sentience at that point would you sent in up to the point of being knocked unconscious would your defense apply in any other context like oh she wasn’t she wasn’t sentient after I stunned her your honor so the crime is just devoid it’s indefensible okay why do you have the wire killing it why the kid to go to each other okay but it’s unnecessary we’ve established that you don’t need to eat animals to survive you can go watch a touchdown for Eastern what I was trying to establish there if that animal is going to be killed what’s the most efficient way of doing it causing least harm to the animal I would say that’s what the person that’s not the only choice we have though bro we don’t just have oh what’s the least what’s the least amount of harm can cause some animal we don’t have we don’t have to do this it’s not really a choice not another choice right I’m saying that we’ve got another choice leave the animals alone eat plants you know think it’s possible we are living proof this is one of the fastest growing movements on earth we’re living proof you can do this you’re living proof in very small numbers no we’re not there’s millions of us in our brother there’s making options everywhere in Africa in Africa I don’t know any big uns in Africa but in the Western country where we have the freedom of information where this is spreading and people are waking up and they can see what’s going on inside of these places people don’t want to contribute to it bro people do not want to contribute to unnecessary suffering and death of animals I would say it’s more like they would sooner see a package of meat in a freezer rather than knowing the reality right and that’s where society itself goes wrong they move away from the reality exactly animals if they seen what was going on in here they wouldn’t want to consume it like you have a family you have a wife do you have a wife and children and stuff like that if they seen what happened in here they wouldn’t want to eat it okay because you you yourself know that most human beings compassionate logical rational human beings care for animals they don’t want to see animals get stabbed to death okay children does that tell you something that we shouldn’t be doing it well if your children can’t see what happens in here without being sick and being scared that gives us an indication that we shouldn’t be doing this to them think about it brother that’s it it’s a choice so is raping a woman they’re pigs all pigs get raped or pigs get roped they do it artificially inseminating forcibly impregnated and their piglets gets taken away from them okay yeah you know about all that okay that’s why there’s seventy billion land animals on the earth right now because we artificially forcibly impregnated us okay so I’m gonna have to end this with your vote but it’s been an interesting debate with you bro but you say you care about animals your actions aren’t consistent with that okay well I won’t be judged by somebody else I’m not judging you before you four years ago I was eating animals probably more than you were okay okay I’ve just woken up and decided that it’s unnecessary to cause harm to them they’ve done nothing wrong to us they’re six months old they’re six months old but they’re getting stabbed in the throat okay they’re like puppy dogs okay they’re innocent they’ve done nothing wrong to us exactly exactly so we’re doing this to innocent beings okay innocent beings they’ve done nothing wrong to you we’ve killed for our gree no people don’t walk for taste pleasure because you like the taste of animals the protein we can get protein from plants and you know that come on mate you’ve done research protein alls protein comes from plants all pro to you originally comes from plants because animals that speech it’s turning into what they exactly that’s filtering your nutrients through an animal that’s what that’s suffered and died okay even if they didn’t suffer they got caused harm look at killed they’ve been murdered well killing against is illegal too okay yeah the big kill kill against their will okay okay that’s unnecessary you don’t have to do it again convince me you’d have to show me some real serious research I’m happy to do that two points I’ll give me a card okay this stuff got some this is some stuff on nutrition facts here yeah okay this is what the health this is a these are good films they’ve got all your science all the research LinkedIn Network hey this is cowspiracy all your references are on there so everything you need to know about the environment about water use about how much food we’re feeding these animals about how unsustainable it actually is isn’t able to use for various vegetables so I’ll let you do your own research on that okay you can find out for yourself on the back if you want to do a bit little challenge there’s a vegan challenge on the back fall in my link and give it a go you might I don’t think you got a diet protein deficiency for showing compassion to animals right actually you put it thanks brother thank you Wow [Music]